Spawned Something Wierd

[SubMariner]

Aliquando et insanire iucundum est.

Rident stolidi verba Latina.

Libenter homines id quod volunt credunt.

Saepe ne utile quidem est scire quid futurum sit.

Qui non est hodie cras minus aptus erit.

Lost in Translation.

SubMariner


P.S. I think it's a fugly Acara...

 

[George]

You have a dirty mind Paul.

I knew there was some good in you!

George

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GJR2 @ May 1 2008, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Aequidens, maybe tetramerus, but the females of that family are all so similar. Might be Laetacara though. Show us those boys!

George[/b]

Gee George, figures you'd want - oh well, never mind - Cichlasoma pusillum can't be right, but flu is better so male pics will be forthcoming no later then Sat am.

BTW: Y'all got the best hint and apparently missed it !! - or maybe your Spanish/Portugese is a little rusty.

Paul.
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[SubMariner]

What's wrong with you guys...you don't understand LATIN? LOL!!! :lol: :lol:

 

[animicrazy]

George: I'm caught!!!!

Franny: I do have the name of the fish written down - searches return sites in foreign languages. The hint is the "Rio Parana".

By description, dogofwar's "port something" is a good match in Loiselle's article, but the location, I think, is off. I should have had pics yesterday, but I finished a new stand (finally!) and had to get tanks up, water in, and fish moved - still room for more. The stand has 9 spaces - (4) 40 breeders, (2) 30 breeders, (3) 29s, (3) 20 highs, (3) 15s; 412 gallons on one nine foot wall - used an idea from Charlie's presentation and saved some wood + gained stability.

I'll check on Spine's guess a little later - name is different - but who knows?? The dumb fish can't tell us what it is so maybe it has multiple names.

I'll get pics after lunch today.

Paul.

 

[ltrepeter2000]

The way its going, if it doesnt have multiple names and speak multiple languages it will at least have multiple personalities.......

 

[animicrazy]

Having consulted a map: The Rio Parana goes through quite a few countries in SA; Brazil going south ending in Argentina where it drains into the Atlantic. Now I have to count "fin rays", after I figure out what they actually are - not to mention snatch the presumed daddy (huge fish, fast, strong, hates nets) - and put his but in the photo tank and try, yet again, to use Amanda's digital monster camera. I'd use film, but that would take even longer.

Paul.

 

[cyradis4]

Ok, I snapped a few quick pics....... I was bored, and there was NATURAL light hitting the tank from the window above it! How cool! It was really bringing out some of the colors. Otherwise, please excuse the quality..... Other then the sunlight acting as a highlight, the tank is quite dark.....

The first two are of one of the mid sized fish, the mother of hte spawn is one of hte small fish, and the bottom is one of the largest.

 

[dogofwar]

What's the source of the fish?


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Ok, I snapped a few quick pics....... I was bored, and there was NATURAL light hitting the tank from the window above it! How cool! It was really bringing out some of the colors. Otherwise, please excuse the quality..... Other then the sunlight acting as a highlight, the tank is quite dark.....

The first two are of one of the mid sized fish, the mother of hte spawn is one of hte small fish, and the bottom is one of the largest.

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[cyradis4]

Rio Parana, I believe. In South America. The biggest boy in the tank is, I would say, 8 or more inches in length. Probably closer to 10", but they don't like rulers.

Amanda.

 

[Spine]

Cichlasoma paranaense

 

[animicrazy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Spine @ May 5 2008, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Cichlasoma paranaense[/b]

River is right - pics I found were not; also 7.4cm is Way too small.

Actually, I couldn't even find a pic of the actual fish - but other info is available. Shoot me a link to your source info and I'll take a look.

Paul.

P.S. Getting Real close!!

 

[animicrazy]

Facilius per partes in cognitionem totius adducimur

Keep up the good work!!

On my part: Kinda busy, but after I fix the wiring on my UV sterilizer I'll make water and try to get a good pic.

After a re read of Liebel's article - thanks to dogofwar - an accurate count of the anal fin hard rays is essential - sounds like Cichlasoma portalagrense, but the fish looks like it has more hard rays then three. I suspect that this fish is a variant.

Paul

 

[dogofwar]

8-10" fish are some Big Boppers!

In what size tank are they?

Are they wild caught?

I'd like some fry either way

Matt

 

[Spine]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dogofwar @ May 7 2008, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I'd like some fry either way

Matt[/b]

Yeah,
I second that motion. I haven't given up yet but I am close to calling it quits. There are two things that I've learned from trying to ID these fish.

1. There aren't a whole lot of good quality Cichlasoma ID pictures on the net. A lot of them were blurry and horrid!
2. Without decent reference pictures of both male & female, it's hard as #@&* to ID anything.

I guess we all need to start brushing up on our camera skills and get some good pictures of our fish out there.
Especially the ones that aren't very common.

 

[cyradis4]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dogofwar @ May 7 2008, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I'd like some fry either way

Matt[/b]

Yeah,
I second that motion. I haven't given up yet but I am close to calling it quits. There are two things that I've learned from trying to ID these fish.

1. There aren't a whole lot of good quality Cichlasoma ID pictures on the net. A lot of them were blurry and horrid!
2. Without decent reference pictures of both male & female, it's hard as #@&* to ID anything.

I guess we all need to start brushing up on our camera skills and get some good pictures of our fish out there.
Especially the ones that aren't very common.
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Well, you folks are first in line!

As for reference pics, we'll try, but been REALLY buisy.

Amanda.

 

[animicrazy]

1) Fix Amanda's spell check.

2) Fix (permanently) the %&^$$@#$%^&* UV sterilizer.

3) Fill about two dozen tanks.

4) Get y'all some good pics (won't help) - but some Latin lessons just might. (read Libel's article & notice what it doesn't
say )

5) Hang in there - Spine is only a couple of letters off the mark!!!!

6) Really cool fish!

TMS

 

[longstocking]

Idling fish is an art :lol:

Seriously though.... it's not as easy at it seems sometimes.

When I realized that this fish was going to come down to a little stretch in the middle of no where.... in some river that is probably 100 miles from a city. I gave up :lol:

I have A LOT of respect for the people that moderate an "ID" forum that do it well.

 

[animicrazy]

Well, it has been and will continue to be a long day. However, I captured two male specimens of what I presumed were the same species - but then again - maybe not. Anal fin hard ray count is well above 3 or 4 (as per Loiselle, P. V. 1987. The Cichlid Aquarium. Tetra Press.)

There are other differences not only to the described species but also between my specimens; or at least I believe so. Take a good look at the pictures - in particular notice: Coloration of the lateral line, scale differences, dorsal fin coloration, caudal fin 'combing' (I have several other males of each type - and larger too!!), and any other phenotype differences that seem worthy of mention.

The fish were not particularly thrilled with the move so I am leaving them where they are for a short while - coloration changes may occur and will be documented.

Both specimens are at or over eight inches: nose to tail. The females are four to five inches. All of the fish continue to grow and the largest fish is easily ten inches.

Amanda will post the pics in the following reply.

TMS

 

[cyradis4]

Ok, here're the pics.....

Specimen 1 (he actually held still):

Pec fin closeup:

Dorsal closeup:

Specimen 2 (he would not hold still): Note the spangling of black dots along the side of the fish

Later!
Amanda.