Kribs Spawn, But No Survivors

The kribs I got from Ted Judy have spawned a few times in my 29g tank. I have seen the fry, but no juvies seem to survive. I'm guessing because these critters eat everything in the tank, includng the fry, that the chance of a few survivors is unlikely. The tank is heavily planted and filled with rockwork too. You would think a couple would make it. :confused0083:

How have you other folks that got fish from Ted are doing. Are your kribs succesfully breeding? And surviving?
 
I didnt get mine from Ted, but my Kribs started with four males and four females and sparring took it down to one male and two adult females. Led to a pair and I left the other female in because it caused the female from the pair to really color up. Have had two successful spawnings. and currently have about 25 young adults in a 75. I do consistently change the rockwork in the tank so that they "find" new breeding sites. They are currently holed up in one of the breeding holes they dug under a rock so I expect that there will be another batch soon.

Rob
 

maddog10

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No longer have the Moliwe's, but I have 2 other groups that have not spawned yet (that I have seen). Of course, I have not found a permanent home for them yet either. Living in bare 10's at the moment. Probably set up some 20's on a more permanent basis soon. I have been breeding a lot of other fish lately though, including my Buccochromis (which I am proud of). If anyone is ever in my neck of the woods (Calvert County) stop in. I would love to show off my featherfins (male is constantly displaying - but no luck with the female). Same goes for my big male Thorichthys. It is actually entertaining and very colorful to watch.
 
I currently have a few fry tagging along with their father. That is similar to what I saw before, but the fry don't make it in the tank. Is removing them the only chance for survival? The 29g tank is extremely heavily aquascaped with rock, plants, and a big piece of driftwood (that reminds me Mike, I would like to get another piece from you if you still have any). I would think that a few of the fry would make it with all that heavy cover. But, I guess since the fry prefer to be "tag alongs", they become targets for the other fish.

I still have the original two males and three females doing well. They haven't grown as fast as I thought they would. Fed twice a day, with water changes every two weeks. And I'm not sure which pair is the most prolific breeders.

Thanks for the reply Rob and Mike.
 

maddog10

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I would think some of the fry would be able to make it in that tank.

I will try to dig out some driftwood for you to choose from. I have to bring some for Ron anyway (he is getting larger pieces though).
 
My Krib pair took turns looking over the brood. They do an interesting set of tail wags when they take over as well which seems to be their way of telling the kids who's in charge at the moment. Its like watching a changing of the guard. With all those adults you may have a hard time getting them to grow out as they are slow growers IMO.

Rob
 

Spine

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Bobby,
It's not uncommon for the parents to eat the eggs/fry the first couple of times they spawn.
Krib's are usually good and pretty protective parents once they have a couple of spawns to learn from.
I agree with Mike and Rob, more hiding places and maybe a larger tank will probably bring better success.
 

mscichlid

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Bobby,
Here's an article I wrote, back in the day. Maybe you can glean something from it.



Pelvicachromis taeniatus "Dehane"
by Francine Bethea

While cruising through an lfs, I spied a lovely pair of fish. They looked like Kribensis to me. I asked the manager why they were so expensive. His reply was because they are Pelvicachromis taeniatus ‘Dehane’. Well then. That made the difference.

The natural habitat of these fish consists of small water courses inundated with plants and roots. Further reading mentioned that these fish are capable of keeping and breeding in water with a pH value of between 5 and 7.5. Also, the total hardness should not be above 5 degrees. Naturally this is where I began.

Nevertheless, the tank I setup for the taeniatus was a 20 gal long. First I seeded the tank with a partial water change from the 30 gal above it. Then I topped it off with 10 gals of distilled water. I set the temperature at 78 degrees. I already knew that the water parameters would be as all my tanks are; pH 5.0, gh < 4. Regardless, I checked to be sure. Whenever I seed a new tank I also make sure that my ammonia and nitrite levels are nil.

The aquascape consisted of a large driftwood piece, a slate pile, and a halved coconut shell. I planted an Amazon Sword, tons of java fern, a little of the java moss, Riccia and added a sprinkle of Duckweed. My intent here was to allow the Duckweed and the Riccia to spread to form a canopy. With the lights so close to the surface, and a low turbulence at the surface, this worked perfectly. The back glass was then covered with dark colored mat paper. I strongly believe in recreating the natural habitat of a species I intend to keep. Although, I must say, when it is time to catch fish this biotope can be a bit of a challenge.

I used a mini canister filter with two bio sponges. I also attached a sponge on the intake tube. By doing this, I have a sponge laden with bacteria ready to go for another tank. Also, the sponge prevents large debris from clogging the intake and also from sucking up hapless fry. The current was relatively non-existent.

At first, the taeniatus were very shy and hid a lot. I decided to add a few dithers. I had a few Glowlight Tetras that had been exiled from an Apisto tank. Then I purchased a few Bronze Corydoras for substrate maintenance. The addition of these fish seemed to make the taeniatus less shy.

Two weeks had passed and during the second week, the female had disappeared. Not having my wits about me, I checked the carpet under the tank and gave the cat a wary eye. However, this was not the case. I checked the tank more thoroughly and found the female under the slate pile. Carefully, I lifted the top slab. To my surprise there were 30 or so white, oblong shaped eggs adhered to the slate.

I ignored the tank except for the weekly 25% water change and the daily feeding. On the seventh day the male taeniatus was parading a swarm of free swimming fry. The fry moved with the male around the tank. Whenever the male dashed off to maintain boundaries, the fry would hunker down atop the substrate.

What puzzled me was that the female was also kept away from the fry. I was led to believe that this species shared the responsibility of rearing. This behavior, whether natural or not, was stressful to me and the other fish in the tank. Therefore, I siphoned the fry into a 2.5 gal. I added some of the java moss from the breeding tank. Filtration was taken care of with a hydro sponge. The fry immediately started for the sponge and the java moss. I fed them frozen bbs more than anything else. Taeniatus fry forage in groups. They scavenged for food continuously. I have found that these particular fry usually leave nothing to waste. If by chance I would over-feed, I wouldn’t feed them again until late the next day.

Pelvicachromis taeniatus make a wonderful addition to any community tank. I know someone with lots of fry.

This article first appeared in PVAS’s Delta Tale, Vol 30, # 2-3
 
Francine, thanks for the article. I think I have the tank set up appropriately. I'm going to move some things around just to see if I can entice a better parenting success.
 
Bobby,
It's not uncommon for the parents to eat the eggs/fry the first couple of times they spawn.
Krib's are usually good and pretty protective parents once they have a couple of spawns to learn from.
I agree with Mike and Rob, more hiding places and maybe a larger tank will probably bring better success.[/b]


These fish look like what I have always known as Kribensis. I have seen "Kribensis" in stores, but have not seen any w/ great color. I googled the type you mention and it appears that this species is very colorful.
Are they large enough to purchase, and where do you live? Do yours look like the attachment I've included by any chance?
Thank you, Jeff
 
<div class='quotemain'>Bobby,
It's not uncommon for the parents to eat the eggs/fry the first couple of times they spawn.
Krib's are usually good and pretty protective parents once they have a couple of spawns to learn from.
I agree with Mike and Rob, more hiding places and maybe a larger tank will probably bring better success.[/b]


These fish look like what I have always known as Kribensis. I have seen "Kribensis" in stores, but have not seen any w/ great color. I googled the type you mention and it appears that this species is very colorful.
Are they large enough to purchase, and where do you live? Do yours look like the attachment I've included by any chance?
Thank you, Jeff
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Duh, I looked again and see this is just an article.
Sorry.
 
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