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This morning before I left for work I had a very healthy TSN and RTC both approx 12 - 14 inches came home this eveing and this is what I found left of my TSN. I didnt even take pics of the RTC he was worst than this.

If anyone has any idea what could have caused this i would appreicate the info

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Ocam's razor

That's messed up and seriously spooky. Decomposition happens so quickly in warm water that its hard to tell from the pics, but simplest explanation is that they did it to each other shortly after you left and had the better part of a day to rot. Second guess would be a cat or a neighbor/housemate that doesn't like you and/or your fish. Sorry you had to experience that...

Another possibility is that a heater or something shorted out and fried them. If you figure it out let us know.
 
Avatar, I dont really believe they did it to each other. I bought them together about a year and a half and they have been togehter since without any problems. I have never witnessed any aggression between them . I am more inclined to think the heater explanation. When i found them they both we lodged under the drift thats in the tank. Just freaking weird as hell!!!!!!
 

dogofwar

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Was the water abnormally warm when you came home (evidence of a heater malfunction)? Current running through the water?

When was the last time you did a water change?

Sorry to see this!

Matt
 

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Don't Look in the Basement (Cue scary music - with bubbles)

Not to obsess but mysteries are for unraveling. There is an appearance of having been "fried" from the skin being separated, wondering if a power surge could have electrocuted them. One would then assume they ended up under the drift either because that's where they instinctively fled when set upon by an invisible assailant (electricity) or because the water current carried them there after they perished. If you decide to start fiddling with your heater be careful —I've never heard of anyone being electrocuted by one but then I've never seen a Nightmare on Cichlid Street either until now.

Love the question about last time you did a water change. Allow me to save someone from embarrassing themselves by asking the classic, "What are your water parameters?", although in fairness it might be worth checking the pH just to eliminate the possibility of some bizarre perfect storm/cascade scenario that turned the water into not so mild acid/base in a matter of hours. Someone who understands physical chemistry better could say whether a mild/strong electric current could produce such an effect.

Just remember, you asked, but for that I give you points. Not sure I'd have been willing to share/profess such a grisly circumstance even with friends ( I do have one or two) let alone the entire aquatic cyber community.

By the way, what species of fish do the acronyms represent? All I could divine from a cursory Google search is that both are otherwise considered "bad boys"...
 
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dogofwar

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RTC = red tailed catfish. TSN = Tiger Shovel Nose

A foot long RTC takes dumps the size of a hamster, so it can be a challenge to keep a tank for those guys clean.

Not sure what happened...

Matt
 

Jeff721

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My first thought was also heater malfunction, either frying or electrocution. Especially after looking at the flesh color and separation of the skin.

I think TSN is tiger shovel nose and RTC is red-tail catfish, could be wrong.
 

Tony

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That's rough, Terrel.

By chance, did you do a water change last night? When my 150 male Malawi tank wiped, I finally chalked it up to leaving out the dechlor....

Still wouldn't explain the damage though.

Weird.
 

Andrewtfw

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The only time I saw anything close to what's in your pics, a tank was housed below a window. The window was sprayed with an ammonia window cleaner. The cleaner settled in the tank. After roughly 6 hours with a temp of 80f, the water looked like milk that had separated. The fish looked very similar to your TSN.
Any chance a cleaning chemical was used on or near the tank?

Regardless, sorry for your loss.
 
No water change last night nor any chemicals near the tank. This has to be the worst lost I have ever had just looking at the body decomposition. The TSN was actually the better looking of the two, the RTC was even worse


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Something's missing

Need data. How about a pic of your set-up? The whole enchilada + pH/hardness.

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blkmjk

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I don't see how the water parameters will be of any relevance after that level of decomposition? Sorry for the losses. Good news is now you can use that tank for something else monsterous. My umbee pair spawned this week maybe this time I will get wigglers. You can put some in there instead.

Drew
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"Relevance" is often subjective right up to the point where one becomes its subject

I don't see how the water parameters will be of any relevance after that level of decomposition?

Drew

They won't be, unless one is interested in determining what caused it, which I am, even if others are not.
 

blkmjk

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I just mean that the water parameters will have drastically changed. A relevant reading would be one before the fish were dead and rotting in the tank. Not after they died...

You OK or just having a man-struation moment?

Drew
 

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Who knew forensics was so difficult/meaningless?

Elated you're here to enlighten me regarding what actually qualifies as "relevant" and certify that pH and hardness fluctuate wildly in the absence or presence of dead fish irrespective of what filtration and other processes are occurring/ongoing. Thanks so much, really had no idea. Was looking for clues, any clues, but now realize that it's all pointless and that if the pH reading is extreme and/or the water hardness is off the charts that it doesn't/wouldn't mean a thing. Yep, reckon divine providence is what killed them fish.

Thanks again for all your help. And for the off-color feminine/masculine hygiene remark - just can't stop laughing. Cheers.
 

blkmjk

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Well at least you have a sense of humor. I too laughed while writing the comment.

Seriously lighten up.

"T do as Sam says immediately it might help you decode the mystery at hand!"

I know you have been racking you brain just as I would over this... keep looking you'll find something eventually even if the fishkeeping divine providences here at CCA can't figure it out over the internet.

Drew
 
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