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Best pleco?

Discussion in 'Bottom Dwellers' started by Zeppelin2088, Apr 17, 2012.

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    Need a pleco that will stay a smaller size and keep my glass clean. Bushynose and rubbernose the best choices?


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    It is hard to go wrong with a Bristlenose Pleco. If you get a group, I would go with a fancier variety, otherwise you may have more offspring than you can rehome.
     
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    Some of the fancy varieties don't eat much algae, or aren't sociable enough to spend time on the glass, so research each species if you go this route.

    I think bristlenose are the best choice for practical function, they can adapt to a wide variety of water parameters, and can cohabitate with just about anything.

    I have bristlenose in 20 gallon growout tanks with small fish, and in a 180 with large predators, and they are fine in each setup.

    Clown plecos could be a another choice that doesn't get big and will eat algae. Otherwise a small school of otocinclus or flagfish can work for community type setups.
     
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    Sorry I worded that poorly. I meant fancy version of the standard BN pleco species, like long finned, calico, albino, etc.
     
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    Please do not ever add a fish to an aquarium to solve a problem that can be controlled by the aquarium owner. It does not work.
    If you want clean glass buy a simple aquarium safe scrubber. If you have serious algae problems we can discuss light and nutrient issues.
    If you want a loricariid, or any other fish, research the species you want to keep and provide it with the proper habitat, maintenance regime, and diet it needs to thrive.
    -Shane
     
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    This is called research no? I had to give away the pleco that was in the tank when it was given to me because it was huge. I would like another one.


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    I think what Shane is saying, is that besides eating algae, plecos also require additional nutritional inputs to stay healthy. While I agree with everyone else that the BN is the best choice, it should be provided algae wafers and sliced cucumber or zucchini in addition to algae to stay healthy.

    Many aquarists do not know that and their plecos become doomed to a slow death by starvation. Many species do not eat algae at all.


    Rubbermouth plecos (Chaetostoma sp.) do better in cooler, highly oxygenated water and may not be the best choice.

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    No. Research is a systematic investigation. You are simply asking others to answer your questions for you.

    Regardless, I understand from researching your previous forum postings that you are keeping Lake Malawi cichlids. There are no appropriate loricariids for such a tank (provided you are keeping the cichlids at the proper pH, KH and conductivity). There are very, very few loricariid species that can live under the lower end of the Lake Malawi water chemistry spectrum (i.e. pH 7.7, KH 110, and conductivity of over 210 US/CM). One of these is Ancistrus cf. cirrhosus and would be your best bet. Just do not expect, as Andy pointed out above, that it will survive for long without specific care.
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    Asking people with experience on the subject sounds like pretty good research to me. If I did no research I would have already purchased the fish. Also, I've read many people keep a variety of them with Malawi cichlids and have no problems.


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    I agree with Zeppelin2088 I am no expert. I would like to know of I am doing something wrong so I'd turn to you guys for advice. Would you rather us do the wrong thing and put all or fish in danger or do it right from the beginning. I would ask for direction from the ones who know then to ask the workers at Petco or Petsmart. Just saying.

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    Shane is as good of an expert on catfish as I know of. Check out his website planet catfish.


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    Wouldn't that make most research just getting answers from other people. Most research is either done on the internet or in the library. Other people wrote all the books and info on the net. Hear we just get it from people in a more direct manner. No answer can be found without a question, and no question can be raised without inspiration.

    I guess it could be said that this person just came here for some inspiration.

    BWT, my favorite plecos are Albino Bristle nose, Starlight Ancistrus, Peppermint Pleco, and Clown Pleco. Any of these would keep a tank pretty clean, relative to their size of course. I would also pick one that is similar in size to the other fish so they don't get picked on to much.

    Also, I see plecos as a symbiotic relationship. I provide them with a friendly environment, and they keep that environment clean. The occasions that I actually see the dam things are an added bonus (holy ****, he's still alive).
     
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    Being told answers to your questions is very different from obtaining your information through a well designed investigation. It also increases the likelihood that opinion will be mistaken for fact. Most of the quality advice that is given comes as a result of reading numerous sources including (but not limited to) the internet.

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    Info on the internet is not always the correct answer. What are some to do? Do we kill off fish by trial
    and error or do we learn from the experts? What are forums like this for anyways? Just to talk about pic of the month, closing LFS, or making fun of what people sale on CL's? I don't understand! Either you answer or you don't.

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    I think the point trying to be made by Shane and Andrew is that there is a difference between peer reviewed publications by certified experts on the subject, and by questions answered on a public forum.

    All that being said, the question was asked in a forum that is focused on the general subject, there are certified experts in the community, and in a way it can be peer reviewed. So I would say this fits the criteria of research.

    There are however, hazards to this type of research. The answers provided may be incomplete and lack specific details that are relative to success. There is no guarantee that the responder is an expert and may be giving bad advice. There is no guarantee that an expert will recognize the bad advice and challenge it.

    Asking the question on the forum is a good start to the research but it should be followed up with some more in depth research ideally.

    In this case however, I think the question has been asked and answered.

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    Exactly what
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    Everyone has to start somewhere, why not here. Well put Andy!

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    Very well said Andy.
     

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