FRY GROW-OUT CONTEST - Anyone Interested?

[dogofwar]

Something that might be fun to do over the summer break is a FRY GROW-OUT CONTEST.

Anyone interested?

I've "borrowed" the rules from the club in Cinci (see below). We can change or adapt them as we see fit.

They're using gouramis (BORING!) I'm willing to donate two batches - probably 30+ Hap "ruby" green babies (stripped on the same day) to the cause. They're an ACA CARES species and are really pretty.

I'm thinking that starting in June and growing out until Sept or Oct would provide a good opportunity for growth development but I'm open for ideas.

Let me know if you'd like to participate and if you have any suggestions for how to run the contest!

One idea: The winner writes a short article about how they grew out the nices fish :)
Another idea: Extra fish (beyond a trio or whatever that the participants want) could be auctioned off as a donation to the club.

Thanks,
Matt
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I’m thinking the contest would work like this:

Contestants would enter by replying to a Forum Topic – and / or by
Signing up at the June Meeting.
A nominal entry fee of ($5-$10) would be charged (and donated to the club).
Contestants would each receive a bag containing 4-6 fry at the May Meeting. (Everyone would receive the same number of fry – the variable would be determined by the number of contestants).
The rest of the rules would be pretty simple… take your fry home, grow them out in your aquarium for three months – and bring your BEST PAIR to the September meeting – in a small aquarium or bowl.
The BEST PAIR would be determined on Size, Color, and Condition – not strictly on size alone.
The winner would receive the total of the entry fees – and – maybe more.

[McFluffrichromis]

I am in. I will do it. Sounds like fun.

[kbeaudean]

Sounds like a fun time were in!

[Prince]

I am down.

[dogofwar]

Cool!

Any thoughts on the rules?

[iamzrad]

Whoa, cool!
I'm in.

How about a photo-journal of the progress? Take pictures once or twice a week.

[mrkillie]

Cool!

Any thoughts on the rules?

I'm in. But I think the fish may need to be re-thought if there are many participants. Mouthbrooders are not that prolific (unless, do you have quite a few breeders?). Plus, if the eggs are pulled from multiple females, they could very well be of different ages already. One way to get around that would be to use a substrate spawner-that way you know all the eggs were laid on the same day. I have some black belts that seem to be pairing off, and I would be willing to put some of those fry towards the competition, assuming all goes well and I get fry. They seem to have picked a spawning site and are beating on the other blackbelts in the tank. But this would be the first spawn for them and they are young fish.

Otherwise, I suppose the honor system would be in effect-I mean, I already have some ruby greens, so what's to say I don't use them? I wouldn't. Perhaps we add a monthly check-in with photos on the forum?

Joel

[longstocking]

I am in as well...

I like the fish you are doing this with. Pick them up at the June meeting?

Rules... this would be on everyones word. The fish must stay inside. No ponds !!

[Cartel]

Sounds simple enough and I just set up a grow out so I'm def in. At least on my end the rules sound simple and good enough and it sounds like something fun to do.

[cmcpart0422]

Do you think that there should be penalties for deaths or anything like that? And I have raised your ruby greens before and I know how beautiful they are. However the second that male gets scared and mine are very skittish they tend to lose a lot of their color. In a room with 100 people I don't see them doing the species justice.

I think it sounds like a really cool idea though.

[longstocking]

good point... Maybe just size.

[livingwatersaquarium]

As long as the club approves, I would enjoyed the opportunity to win the contest!

Thanks,
Gerard

[longstocking]

The board doesn't need to vote on this.. IMO

It sounds like fun :)

[cmcpart0422]

Yeah I agree. And its a good way to help spread the population of an endangered fish if we go with ruby green.

[McFluffrichromis]

^^^ I was thinking along these lines too. Something less than common.

[cabinetmkr39]

Im in if there is still room...

[mrkillie]

^^^ I was thinking along these lines too. Something less than common.

Yeah, but you have to have enough fry for the contest. This has only been posted a little more than an hour, and by my count there are 10 people interested already. That's already 40 fry. How prolific are the ruby greens? I am sure there will be more people interested as the day goes on.

Joel

[dogofwar]

Great feedback all!

I stripped both females on the same day and into the same tank. The alpha in my colony breeds with all willing females, usually the day after a big water change (and sleeps the next day in his PVC tube), so the fry are all within a day or two of each other at most. I can't tell the difference.

I agree that it's hard to get Vics to settle down in show-type situations. Another wrinkle to the competition could be getting them to show well (practice for Aquafest and other shows).

One other concern is having a cash prize. Others have done it but maybe we could be more creative?

[dogofwar]

Once they get going, they're pretty darn prolific. I think I have about 40 fry. I'll see when I get home.

Anyone have oodles of another kind of fry? Or maybe we can do two contests (a new world and an old world?)...

Matt

Yeah, but you have to have enough fry for the contest. This has only been posted a little more than an hour, and by my count there are 10 people interested already. That's already 40 fry. How prolific are the ruby greens? I am sure there will be more people interested as the day goes on.

Joel

[cmcpart0422]

I like that idea but ruby greens are fun to raise I really enjoyed it. Watching the males develop in this species is just great.

[Pat Kelly]

This was mentioned a year ago and a bunch of people boo hoo'ed it so it never went any further.

Matt, I like it. Like others said its good to raise endangered fish, it's good to have a little competition in the club. Its good for bragging rights.

I am not sure I would make it about money.
How about I provide one of the good embroidered club shirts as the prize? To me money just puts a bad feeling on it? Maybe just me.

Since this is the first one, maybe limit it to the first 10 or 12 people that respond on here and only have 3 fish to make sure you have enough? A benny of being on the forum.

I agree with Sarah, this could be a forum contest. Not something that would need to be voted on by the board. Not sponsored by the club per say but the forum.?

I say June July August and bring fish in at the September meeting and show them like a bowl show. The person brings a small tank or bowl. No lights. Number them so that the judges do not know whos fish they are. 3 persons judge them and announce at the meeting. ?
You must be at the June and September meetings to participate.

[maddog10]

The board doesn't need to vote on this.. IMO

It sounds like fun :)

If the club is going to take in money and give out prizes, the Board should vote on it. A quick email vote should be good enough.

[longstocking]

I boo'd it last year for a couple reasons. But as soon as you put a CARES fish in I'm ALL for it. Plus it's a pretty fish !

I don't like the money prize either... but if the people participating want money... go for it. Up to you guys.

I don't think this should be about money.. nor do I think the club should make money on this. It's a cares fish !!

We could even have another contest on who can spawn the fish first.

[fischfan13]

I would just want to be in this so that I could show everyone that New Jersey water isn't as bad as everyone thinks.:happy0180:

[mrkillie]

I would just want to be in this so that I could show everyone that New Jersey water isn't as bad as everyone thinks.:happy0180:

It's only bad if you drink it! Made that mistake before. :lol:

Joel

[McFluffrichromis]

I am totally fine with no prize. The prize is bragging rights. I am not in this hobby for the money. But, money is nice. I am sure we can come up with something that is not money. IE: fish, supplies, tanks, and/or anything fish related.

[Pat Kelly]

If the club is going to take in money and give out prizes, the Board should vote on it. A quick email vote should be good enough.

True but what I was saying was keep it small.
Don't take in any money.
The shirt as a prize would be provided by me.

To me its sort of like your post contest from a few years ago.

[mrkillie]

Personally, I like money. Can't live without it, quite frankly. Can't eat. Can't watch TV. Can't call anyone or write anyone. Can't have fish without it either. Always have a good feeling about money. If the club doesn't want to get money from the effort, perhaps the club donates it to the CARES program or one of the other programs the ACA has (Jordan Fund, Loiselle Fund).

But as for the prize, I say keep it money, chances are it will end up going right back into the auction or raffle tickets at the meeting anyway.

Joel

[Pat Kelly]

I boo'd it last year for a couple reasons. But as soon as you put a CARES fish in I'm ALL for it. Plus it's a pretty fish !


Lol. I did not remember who it was. There were several people I think.
The discussion was also about the health of the fish if it was being over fed to grow. etc.

[dogofwar]

I like the shirt as a prize idea... or maybe a gift certificate to buy something from the CCA store. And a certificate :) Entry fees could go to support club programs...

I really like the idea of providing extra recognition to whoever breeds them first. Its actually not impossible that they wouldn't breed before Sept...and certainly before the end of the year!

[cmcpart0422]

Me females have held at a little under 2in before. No fry but I saw the spawn and the eggs. Prolific spawners.

[maddog10]

I was the other one against it. Still am, but I won't stop others from doing it. Money as a prize is not a good idea IMO. It will eventually lead to problems. Maybe not this time around, but later on. I like the shirt idea or Cafe Press gift certificate.

[dogofwar]

How about we declare the prize as a $25 gift certificate (for CCA Store) and a paper certificate to display in the winner's fish room. Or put on their mantle :)

[Cartel]

I also agree on the no money. Something small (if that) and bragging rights are all someone should need to be happy with it. With money not being the issue then at lead I don't see what could be wrong with the contest.

[Lively]

I'd like in - if there is room for me!

I'm happy with bragging rights, alone.

[McFluffrichromis]

I can provide printing and design services for the certificate. It will be one high quality certificate. Printed on imported German paper.

[dogofwar]

Sounds like a plan!

I can provide printing and design services for the certificate. It will be one high quality certificate. Printed on imported German paper.

[ltrepeter2000]

I also boo'ed it for many of the reasons mentioned above. I did not like the money prize idea specifically. I was also concerned that the welfare of the fish for natural growth and progression would be bypassed to get the biggest, prettiest fish possible which might mean a diet that is not in the fish's best interest. Just a thought.

I like Sarah's idea more than a grow out contest. Who gets the fish to spawn first successfully (six fry to donate to an auction?) This would benefit the CARES program in a better capacity I think.

[longstocking]

well, if someone over feeds this fish... good chance it will die.

The reason I boo'd it was the over feeding issue. I probably won't win because I won't overfeed them....

It will still be fun.

I think we could do two contests instead one. More fun that way :)

[Cartel]

I think you could get 2 contest out of this really. And I dunno about everyone else but I'm pretty good with the honor system and feel like most in this club are not of the irresponsible kind and would keep the fishes welfare first. After all it's helping an endangered fish.

You beat me to it Sarah!

[dogofwar]

Judging for condition and appearance in addition to size reduces the incentive to overfeed...

I'm all for giving out a second award (German-paper certificate) for first bred!

[McFluffrichromis]

So, this is what we have so far I think.


Start: June meeting - fry handout

Rules: feed fish (do not overfeed), (penalty for death?)

End: September meeting - bring grow outs back in.

Judging: size, condition, and appearance

Prize: Winner Certificate and bragging. (no money)



I personally will be feeding fish as I normally do. I just want to see how my methods as they are compare to that of others in the club. I think that with the fish being on the CARES list will help prevent people from abusing their fish. I would really hope that people that are in this club care enough for fish to not mistreat them. Money being involved could cause this problem thats why I am against the money thing too.

Seems pretty simple. I can't wait.

[dogofwar]

I just realized that I'm going to be in California during the June meeting (leaving on Fri 6/11), so I'll coordinate the fish hand off with someone who will be attending...

[McFluffrichromis]

I just realized that I'm going to be in California during the June meeting (leaving on Fri 6/11), so I'll coordinate the fish hand off with someone who will be attending...

I am sure we can adjust this whole thing by a month or so. Start in July end in October. Altho your fry will be a bit bigger by then. lol

[dogofwar]

No meeting in July (other than BBQ).

We can still do June, I'll just have someone bring the fish and kick off the contest :)

Matt

[lonlangione]

I'll throw in my hat on this as well Matt. So you will not be at the June meeting. That means if any odd CA's or SA's make their way to the meeting I don't have to worry about you bidding against me!!!!!!


Lonny:D:D:D

[lonlangione]

As far as a prize. I would be happy with 10 free raffle tickets....

Lonny

[dogofwar]

I'll be ably represented by my agent, Mr. Spine :cool: on the odd new world stuff!

I'll throw in my hat on this as well Matt. So you will not be at the June meeting. That means if any odd CA's or SA's make their way to the meeting I don't have to worry about you bidding against me!!!!!!


Lonny:D:D:D

[dogofwar]

GREAT IDEA!

As far as a prize. I would be happy with 10 free raffle tickets....

Lonny

[longstocking]

It would have to be voted on...if we do raffles....

Putting something to a vote isn't a big deal. It's just gettting off our lazy butts.

[danger_chicken]

Since this is the first one, maybe limit it to the first 10 or 12 people that respond on here and only have 3 fish to make sure you have enough? A benny of being on the forum.awe man I wanna play too, but I sleep during the day

Money as a prize is not a good idea IMO. It will eventually lead to problems. Maybe not this time around, but later on. I like the shirt idea or Cafe Press gift certificate.I agree

I think you could get 2 contest out of this really. And I dunno about everyone else but I'm pretty good with the honor system and feel like most in this club are not of the irresponsible kind and would keep the fishes welfare first. After all it's helping an endangered fish.the problem is money can make people do things they normally wouldn't.

As far as a prize. I would be happy with 10 free raffle tickets....

Lonny:happy0144:

I'd like to join if possible.

[Cartel]

I know that's why I said no monies and I'm pretty sure everyone agreed. Just a certificate and bragging rights this should be fun!

[Kets]

I'm interested.

[kaj41354]

Just to add my $.02 - i once talked to the SWMAS about their program because I was thinking of someday doing it at ACLC. They had 2 things in their rules that I thought were good.

1. It required that all surviving fry that were raised be brought in for judging. They felt it prevented any from being raised separately just for the contest. Probably not necessary but...

2. The winner had to submit an article about raising the fry, for their newsletter (SWAM) in order to receive the prize......GREAT IDEA!

[McFluffrichromis]

Well, the other prized that no one else has stated is the fact that you will have these wonderful fish in your tanks. I think that is the greatest prize of them all. Being able to keep and raise these awesome fish.

[cmcpart0422]

I like the idea about prizes for best fish and also first fry but what if someone gets stuck with all males or all females. These fish need the other sex not only to color up but to produce fry. The fish will look very dull if someone gets stuck with only one sex, and then they cant even be involved in the secondary contest.

[RIFT_LAKES_RULE]

If Sarah will donate some Tropheus ilangi fry... I'd join in!!! Just kidding, I don't have a tank to spare at the moment, it does sound like a pretty cool thing tho. Looking forward to seeing all the pictures!!! Good luck everyone :)

[Sonny Disposition]

Wish I could do this, but I don't have room for any more fry. Why don't you make the prize a large order of chicken wings?

[McFluffrichromis]

good point. But, everyone has that chance. Maybe some trading amongst the competitors may be aloud at a certain point. After the first judging obviously. dunno:confused:

I like the idea about prizes for best fish and also first fry but what if someone gets stuck with all males or all females. These fish need the other sex not only to color up but to produce fry. The fish will look very dull if someone gets stuck with only one sex, and then they cant even be involved in the secondary contest.

[longstocking]

lol @ donating Tropheus Ilangi.

You are funny :p

I might be willing to do this with brichardi or reganochromis fry. Now breeding reganochromis... lol.. a bit of a challenge.

Vics or malawi fish are best for this... they spawn young and grow fast.

Not the case with tangs.

[Frank Cowherd]

If there is still room for an additional contestant, I am in. Sounds like fun and a challenge and I'd end up with some great fish, as would everyone else in the contest.

I like the idea of having to bring all fry back to the Sept meeting. But then everyone would only bring back the two best if that was allowed and that seems OK also. SO either way, fine with me.

The article sounds like a good idea, but then do not put a 1000 word requirement on it. LOL It might be a mighty short article.

[RIFT_LAKES_RULE]

Vics or malawi fish are best for this... they spawn young and grow fast.

Not the case with tangs.

Agreed most definitely on that. The contest would have to be stretched out over a much longer time frame for Tangs, especially for breeding. But I couldn't resist the opportunity to nominate you to donate some ilangi :D. If this is a hit, and I suspect it will be... I'll be sure to have a tank ready for the next one ;), regardless which fish we'll be keeping.

[kbeaudean]

We will be willing to donate a brand new Marineland C220 Canister filter for the prize!!

[dogofwar]

Sweet - filters are better than money anyway :)

Just got home...so I'll do a (rough) count of babies - they're about 2-3 weeks post release and maybe 1/3" - to see how many contestants.

I think that 4 fish/contestant is probably the minimum to ensure that everyone gets both sexes. Might not have enough for everyone to participate this time but anyone who doesn't get to participate this time should be first on the list next time.

I've got pairs of Crytoheros myrnae and nanoluteus, which are both substrate spawners and ACA CARES fish, which will have more fry by summers end (not to jinx myself). Unless someone has some additional colonies of another kind of Victorian going. I think that there were some nubila/nubilus a couple of auctions ago. Great fish and quite prolific (too bad I sold all of mine in Sacramento).

Thanks for all of the enthusiasm and great ideas!

Matt

[kbeaudean]

We were the ones that got those fish a couple auctions ago:D But nothing yet!!

[dogofwar]

Looks like about 40 fry...definitely at least 30...

For the contest, I'll have the fish packaged 4 each in a breather bag with a little piece of polyfilter... I'll fill as many as I have fry from that batch!

[Cartel]

Sweet im excited already!

[Jumbie]

I would like in if there is any more room?

[Lively]

Matt - as much as I hate it - if I manged to post in time to be a participant, I have to bow out this time. Can I help judge? I really think this is a way cool idea and I love the fish you went with!

Stacy

[dogofwar]

I think that we'll have room for about 10 participants (~40 fry and 4 fry/participant) - thanks for all the enthusiasm!

Matt

[marge618]

Yeah, but you have to have enough fry for the contest. This has only been posted a little more than an hour, and by my count there are 10 people interested already. That's already 40 fry. How prolific are the ruby greens? I am sure there will be more people interested as the day goes on.

Joel

I'm in!!

[McFluffrichromis]

Are we going in order as to who responded to this thread or are we doing another sign up?

[dogofwar]

Reverse alphabetical order starting with your screen name. :p

Actually, I think that order of response is the fairest.

And if we don't have enough for everyone who wants to participate...and comes to the June meeting...then we'll start with the next name on the list.

Are we going in order as to who responded to this thread or are we doing another sign up?

[SubMariner]

Cool!

Great idea Matt;)

I have no room for any fry right now, but put me down as one of the judges Dude.:cool: I've gotta good EYE...:D


Richard

[DonkeyFish]

One more reason to quit my second job.... I totally missed this thread until now!
Put me on the list, please. Hopefully for this one, but doesn't look like I'm in the top 10. Unless I can't count... which is entirely possible since I went to art school and we don't study that fancy arithmetic stuff there :)

[dogofwar]

You're on the list!

I'm sure that we'll have a second round of the contest...

[McFluffrichromis]

So is this going on? I need to clear a 20L for these guys if we are doing this at this meeting.

[dogofwar]

Yes - I'll put together the info in the next couple of days...

Matt

[DiscusnAfricans]

I just realized that I'm going to be in California during the June meeting (leaving on Fri 6/11), so I'll coordinate the fish hand off with someone who will be attending...

I can still bring them to the meeting if you want. Let me know. I can either grab them thursday or friday and rebag them before the meeting. I'll put my name on the list for next time. I don't have the tank space right now and there was a lot of people interested.

[dogofwar]

Cool - thanks Mike. I need to check out my schedule and figure out the best method.

I'm leaning toward breather bags with a bit of polyfilter...which I both have and I can prepare well ahead of time...

[DiscusnAfricans]

Cool - thanks Mike. I need to check out my schedule and figure out the best method.

I'm leaning toward breather bags with a bit of polyfilter...which I both have and I can prepare well ahead of time...

Ok, just let me know. I'll be in the area after 7:30 either day.

[McFluffrichromis]

AWESOME I can't wait.

[dogofwar]

We're still on for the FRY GROW OUT CONTEST for the JUNE MEETING.

I'm not going to be able to attend, but Richard (Submariner) will be bringing the fish.

Here's how it's going to work:

Start: June meeting - fry handout (4 fish each). Fish will be handed out in order of sign up - see below for order. $8 each to enter the contest (to be donated to the club).

End: September meeting - bring fish back to Sept meeting. Display all fish in flat-sided bowl or small tank (like a bowl show/fish show) for judging

Judging: size, condition, and appearance.

Prize: Winner Certificate and bragging. Another winner for first to successfully breed them (might be later then Sept).

Requirement by winner(s): write an article for the Biotope
Requirement by all participants who are ACA members: register the fish with ACA CARES

I have about 40 fish @ 1/2", so there should be enough for 9-10 participants. Anyone who said that they would like to participate but doesn't get to participate in this round...will be first in line for the next grow out contest. To participate you need to be at the meeting, pay the entry fee, and want to participate :)

The order of sign up is as follows:
1. McFluff
2. Kbeaudean
3. Prince
4. iamzrad
5. mrkillie
6. longstocking
7. cartel
8. cmcpart
9. livingwatersaquarium
10. fischfan13
11. lively
12. danger chicken
13. kets
14. Frank Cowherd
15. Jumbie
16. marge618
17. Donkeyfish
18. discusnafricans

If I missed anyone please let me know!

Any questions?

[longstocking]

I will let someone take mine....

I really just don't have the room to do this...

If fischfan13 wants to participate I can take his and ship them to him.... up to him.

[cmcpart0422]

I don't have the room to be doing this right now either. I just broke my leg and had surgery a couple of days ago on top of that. Looking after fry right now is going to be a little to difficult for me. I wont be able to make it to the june meeting but i will being interested if your going to do this again in the future.

[dogofwar]

Oh man - hope your leg's OK!

You're on the list for next time...

[Lively]

I don't have the room to be doing this right now either. I just broke my leg and had surgery a couple of days ago on top of that. Looking after fry right now is going to be a little to difficult for me. I wont be able to make it to the june meeting but i will being interested if your going to do this again in the future.

That really sucks! Bad enough to break a leg, then surgery - but to miss the fish meeting... that is just insult to injury!

Heal up fast.

[Gobucks1]

Can i get on the list now, for like Round 2 or whatever? Since it doesn't look like there'll be enough this time.

Or do i need a certain amount of posts?

[dogofwar]

Gobucks - you're on the list :)

[Prince]

I too have to back out the tank I planned to put them in is being overhauled and I wouldn't be able to get them home until 3AM

[dogofwar]

No worries...if you're down the list...you might just get into this month's contest!

Also, folks need to me CCA MEMBERS to be in the contest. If you need an incentive to join, this is it :)

Thanks,
Matt

[tash]

can I get on the list for next time? This sounds like fun. :) Writing the article sounds like a good prize for me.

[SubMariner]

No worries...if you're down the list...you might just get into this month's contest!

Also, folks need to me CCA MEMBERS to be in the contest. If you need an incentive to join, this is it :)

Thanks,
Matt


I repeat, CCA Members Only.:)



RM

[SubMariner]

Update: Grow Out Contest 2009

Here is the list of candidates who have taken the challenge of growing out some Ruby Green Vics for September's Meeting.

1.) Patrick,"McFluffrichromis"
2.) Wil Ramirez, "Cartel"
3.) Wendy and Kevin Beaudean, "Kbeaudean"
4.) Joshua, "Jumbie"
5.) Stacy Stutz, "Lively"
6.) Bill Barbito, "Fischfan13"
7.) Marge Collins, "Marge618"
8.) Jen Williams, " DonkeyFish"
9.) Richard Mendez, "SubMariner"

Thanx again to all who contributed monies towards the club.

Alright, don't forget at September's meeting the best pair WINS.

I've already started feeding my Ruby Green's some minced grilled Kobe beef, which was injected and marinated in HGH. HA! :))):unsure::lol::happy0144:

:wink:
Good Luck,


Richard

[Lively]

I loaded up the tank with algae - I told my eldest this was her project - that way if we win she has to write the article! *evil laugh*

[McFluffrichromis]

wow these guys are small lol. I put them in a 20L and lost them. j/k

[dogofwar]

Thanks Richard for kicking this off - and good luck to all of the participants!

It's better to start off with little guys as the opportunity to impact their development is greater :)

Any ideas for fish for the next contest? I'd like to do another ACA CARES species.

By the way, PLEASE register your fish with the ACA CARES program by emailing the following:

Claudia@CARESPreservation.com
a) your name
b) your postal address
c) your e-mail address
d) your telephone number (optional)
e) species: Haplochromis sp. "ruby"
f) Where or from whom obtained: Matt Quinn / Capital Cichlid Association program
g) collection location, if available: N/A
h) when obtained: June 2009

[Lively]

wow these guys are small lol. I put them in a 20L and lost them. j/k


HaHa! I put mine in a 5 gallon to start and it looks empty. They are so tiny!

Here's the tank:
http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq139/Lively369/Rapps%20Electric%20Blues/Haps%20Ruby%20Red/DSC_2056.jpg

and itty bitty fishies
http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq139/Lively369/Rapps%20Electric%20Blues/Haps%20Ruby%20Red/DSC_2057.jpg

http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq139/Lively369/Rapps%20Electric%20Blues/Haps%20Ruby%20Red/DSC_2066.jpg

[dogofwar]

Just wait until they breed - much smaller babies than a lot of mbuna.

I really little female (~1") can have 20-30 babies in her mouth!

Their tank looks great!

Matt

[McFluffrichromis]

^^ thats cool I can't wait.

[Pat Kelly]

I gave mine some NLS and look
what happened since Saturday.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/finman57/020607a.jpg

Oh man. The date gave it away. lol

[crazyclowntang]

I gave mine some NLS and look
what happened since Saturday.



Oh man. The date gave it away. lol

jajajaja nice try Pat:D

[kbeaudean]

Yeah! Nice try but you beat me to it! :p

[McFluffrichromis]

Thats a prime example of why there is no money involved in the winner circle.lol

[George]

Hey guys, I have a tank of Ruby Greens. Theeese little beauties are about an inch and a quarter:o. I bet I could get a good price for a little head start;).

Naah, CCA folks are honest:angry3: and cheating wouldn't be cool:rolleyes:. Just thought I would tempt you. Good luck and may the best woman win. I just figure you guys don't have a chance. They will sing to theirs and I don't think Ruby Greens like male voices.:lol::lol::lol::lol:

I sure look forward to the judging.

[Lively]

Mine would be likely to jump out of the tank if I sang to them...

[George]

Mine would be likely to jump out of the tank if I sang to them...
But you already told us they are your daughter's (dangerous talking about daughters since Leterman but I'll take a chance) responsibility and she probably has a much better voice - HAS TO.

George

[Cartel]

But you already told us they are your daughter's (dangerous talking about daughters since Leterman but I'll take a chance) responsibility and she probably has a much better voice - HAS TO.

George

lol at the Letterman joke......so overrated....well the drama around it.

[Lively]

Hmmm - she's 14, too...

Actually, she has a lovely voice - maybe she could sing at a ball game... lol

[Pat Kelly]

So what kind of grow out contest is this anyway.

I have not spotted any bragging posts.

No picture posts.

I sort of expected some banter or something....

"My fish is bigger than yours."

"My fish are healthier than yours."

"My male colored up."

"I am going to woop everyone."

lol

[longstocking]

:lol:

[Pat Kelly]

LOL

I just expected a little of the MY FISH IS GOING TO KICK YOUR FISH,
type of talk by now.

Maybe we will see it at the cookout Saturday. lol

[Jumbie]

So what kind of grow out contest is this anyway.

I have not spotted any bragging posts.

No picture posts.

I sort of expected some banter or something....

"My fish is bigger than yours."

"My fish are healthier than yours."

"My male colored up."

"I am going to woop everyone."

lol

Yeah LOL...I would do some bragging if I had something to brag about. I don't know about everyone else but mine look like they haven’t grown at all even though I feed them all the time. I did not want to say anything about my concern in growth rate because I didn't want my competition to see that I am weak in this cutthroat competition LOL!

[Cartel]

Mine are still tiny if it makes you feel better about it. I only have 2 though since the other 2 decided to dissapear after like the first day they are by themselves too! So let's just hope my 2 left were better lookers then the other 2!

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[Jumbie]

Oh good I am glad my fry are not the only ones. I thought Richard might have rigged the contest lol.. Just joking.

[Lively]

I'm afraid of jinxing myself... but two are about twice the size they started at, the other two are a bit smaller but I can see a sheen of color on at least three of them. They are mainly grazing on the aglae I put in the tank from guppy tank - I've been supplimenting every two or three days.

I thought i had lost one of them, they are skittish fish and it's a heavily aquascaped tank - I finally saw all four the other day. They were all grazing on the plants.

[SubMariner]

Mines are Humongous I must say...;)))

Rigged? When you have a both Grandfathers from Sicily Italy, do you really think I would rig the contest? Of course not. HA HA HAAAAHHAaa. :)))

I have my Vic's on a strict schedule of lots of Sun, Mozart, Arroz con Pollo, Jedi Knight Training in the Force, and lots of Love. Oh I forgot the Barry Bonds baby chewable vitamins. LOL!


RM

[TheWire]

wait a minute, the contest already started? .....

[McFluffrichromis]

So, I have only 3 of mine left. I am not sure but in the last 2 weeks one of them decided to jump ship or hide really well. The 3 that I know I have left are getting pretty big. My biggest 2 are about triple the size they were when I got them. Hopefully the one that I think that I lost is just hiding somewhere. I hope I win.

I have caught a glimpse or two of some really pretty colors starting to show.

[Jumbie]

I just got home and notice that the smallest one of the 4 fry bit the dust:-(

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[McFluffrichromis]

so sad, but, now you are even with me. I only have 3 too.

[Cartel]

lol we are all loosing some! Im still down to 2 the other ones just disappeared.

[Lively]

Doing a major tank clean and water change for them this morning... All are doing well with two pretty big and one showing some red... looks like I definately have a male in there! Seeing some agression while they are grazing on the algae and plants I have in there for them. I'll try and get a couple of pics of them this afternoon or tomorrow. They are shy fish.

[Lively]

I just couldn't wait to take the pics... I was floored when I saw just how much color one of them has... posted with just a hint of pride on how well these fishies are doing!

Definately not the best pics I've ever taken - but the color is true.

Three of them:
http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq139/Lively369/Haps%20Ruby%20Green/7-25-09DSC_2487.jpg

Showing red in the head!
http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq139/Lively369/Haps%20Ruby%20Green/7-25-09DSC_2490.jpg

A lovely sheen
http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq139/Lively369/Haps%20Ruby%20Green/7-25-09DSC_2494.jpg

This one is about the same size as the colorful one:
http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq139/Lively369/Haps%20Ruby%20Green/7-25-09DSC_2493.jpg

[SubMariner]

Da mn Stacy, I hate to say it, but you're kicking a ss.


RM

[Cartel]

Dang I might as well drop out now lol

[Lively]

:blush:

ahh.. shucks

thanks guys

[Jumbie]

:(:eek::o:wacko::blush:.......WOW Stacy I must say your fry's are defiantly kicking my fry’s A**!!! I think mine are 1/2 that size and none of them are showing color like yours. Way to go Stacy, and unless I have some type of miracle, that gives my fish a growth increase I won’t be winning this contest lol.

[Pat Kelly]

Way to go Lively
Looks like we have a leader so far.
But you never know. I have had fish grow and then stop.
Others I swear you could watch them grow over night.
lol
Never know.

[Prince]

What are you guys feeding your Ruby Haps? I have four in a tank with 10 rock Kribs. I feed the Hakari Cichlid goldm Krill Brine shrimp with Spirulina and Blood worms. Any suggestion on what foo dwill make them color up more?

[Lively]

Actually, I'm starving mine... they are in a heavily planted 5 gallon all by themselves. 90% of their food they get from grazing on the plants and the extra algae I provide them from a different tank that grows alage like mad! In my first pic - the rock to the right I added that one when I was done cleaning. Once a week (or if I want to get pictures of the buggers) I add some regular tetra min flake.

I've a similar feeding program for the Africans - I need to get some pics of them, the yellow tails acei are a serious electric blue!

[Cartel]

Mine are just on NLS Growth but the 2 I have left havent shown any color....boooo!

[Lively]

Took these this morning...what does it mean when these guys start picking up and spitting sand? This one likes to do that!

http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq139/Lively369/Haps%20Ruby%20Green/08-02-09DSC_2502.jpg

The male:
http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq139/Lively369/Haps%20Ruby%20Green/08-02-09DSC_2512.jpg

http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq139/Lively369/Haps%20Ruby%20Green/08-02-09DSC_2517.jpg

[Spine]

Wow, Winner (I mean Stacy) your fish are doing real well.BTW you didn't happen to get a new Nikon camera did you?

[Lively]

No, it's not new. I've had it for a couple of years now. Why?

[Spine]

No, it's not new. I've had it for a couple of years now. Why?
I only asked because I thought you had a point&shoot for some reason. I could be mixing you up with someone else, anyway nice pics and nice fish keep posting!

[Lively]

Thanks :-) I really need to invest in some flash equipment - I lose a lot of good shots because of bounceback.

[dogofwar]

Amazing - that's a M/F. I think that you could win BOTH the best and largest fish... and the first to breed!

Matt

[dogofwar]

If anyone needs a few spare for ones that disappeared or seem runty or whatever, let me know... and I'll have 'em for the Sept meeting...

Matt

[Lively]

Amazing - that's a M/F. I think that you could win BOTH the best and largest fish... and the first to breed!

Matt

Will they breed this young? Almost unfair that they are doing so well considering I originally backed out of the contest... I'm glad I was able to do this.

[Cartel]

Um I may need a back up plan Matt lol. I dont mind dropping out of the contest but it looks like the 2 I have left are females. So if I could buy some from you thatd be great.

[dogofwar]

No problem at all - I'll even give you four more if you give the ladies that you've grown out to someone who ended up with a bunch of dudes or someone who's building a colony...

Matt

Um I may need a back up plan Matt lol. I dont mind dropping out of the contest but it looks like the 2 I have left are females. So if I could buy some from you thatd be great.

[dogofwar]

You'd be amazed at how young they'll breed. I've had less than 1" females holding. And your little guy looks to be in the mood...

Matt

Will they breed this young? Almost unfair that they are doing so well considering I originally backed out of the contest... I'm glad I was able to do this.

[Lively]

He was showing off for her yesterday - she seemed to be ignoring him lol

[Cartel]

No problem at all - I'll even give you four more if you give the ladies that you've grown out to someone who ended up with a bunch of dudes or someone who's building a colony...

Matt


Thats awesome thanks matt! Ill bring my 2 girls to the meet for anyone who needs some ladies.

[dogofwar]

He was showing off for her yesterday - she seemed to be ignoring him lol

I saw a little of that at the aca as well ;)

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[Lively]

ROFL! These casual bits of info... you've got my imagination running wild.

[SubMariner]

Don't count me out yet because my RG is blowing up in color right now.

So Watch out Lady Lively!

I'm still in it to Win it.:angel2:

RM

[Lively]

Pics Richard! We would never count you out... lol

[SubMariner]

That's classified young lady... Top Secret, ya know.;)


RM

[Lively]

ROFL - afraid you'll jinx yourself?

[SubMariner]

Afraid I am not young Skywalker girl... Fear is but an illusion my lady.

The Force is strong in my fish room.:) LOL!

Anyways, your fishy may look good on film, but mine looks incredible in person.:cool:


RM

[Lively]

Fear is the mind killer... (anyone know the book that's from? lol)

me boyo... my fishy does look good on film - but IRL - he will blow you away.

[SubMariner]

Whatever!

[Lively]

LOL - It's from Dune. As much as I love Star Wars - that movie/book has always been my fav. SciFi story.

[DiscusnAfricans]

Richard - the women have it out for you. First Empress Sara, now Lady Lively. Stay strong with the force, otherwise the women will exploit any weakness.

[SubMariner]

The women love me...what are u talking about. They're in denial.:)

I loved Dune too. One of my Favorites.


RM

[Lively]

The women love me...what are u talking about. They're in denial.:)

I loved Dune too. One of my Favorites.


RM

Shoot, I thought we hid it so well...

Ever read the book? It's about the only movie that stayed true to the book. Love 'em both.

[SubMariner]

I can watch that movie over and over again.


RM

[Lively]

If I had the movie i'd say the same thing - but I do have the book - and it's one of the few I've read more than three times...

[DiscusnAfricans]

The women love me...what are u talking about. They're in denial.:)


I know the ladies love ya Richard, thats why they pick on you;).

[maddog10]

LOL - It's from Dune. As much as I love Star Wars - that movie/book has always been my fav. SciFi story.

I am currently reading Paul of Dune and just received Winds of Dune in the mail. All the Dune books are fairly hard to follow (IMO), so I end up reading them at least twice.

[Lively]

Only other one i've read is Children of Dune, I really want to get the others. Herbert has another book called, The Green Brain that is quirky in the same way as "A Clockwork Orange" and "THe Forbidden Planet" two great sci-fi movies.

I just looked up the forbidden planet, that's not the right one. If I stumble on the right one, I'll post.

[Lively]

Found it! It's called "Fantastic Planet" If you like odd sci-fi and haven't seen it, it's bizarre and compelling.

[McFluffrichromis]

Can we pretty please do the judging in October. My sister gets married on the 12th of September. I will not make it to the meeting

AND, My male just colored up and he is looking stunning.

If we have to do the judging in September then I will find a member to bring my two in for judging. They have to compete they are big and pretty now. I want to win. lol

[dogofwar]

I just found out that I'm going to be out of town during the meeting, so it would work for me to postpone until the oct meeting.

Any objections?

It would be cool to have some breed them by the to...

Maybe a photographic update in the meantime...

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[Lively]

I'm okay with the change.

[SubMariner]

What?
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg95/finomendez/turrable.jpg

[Lively]

Oh, I'm not certian but - I've not seen my male in a couple of days. Getting ready to do a serious tank clean and trim back some of the greenary - but I'm afraid I may have lost him.

[Lively]

Well, I really didn't want to be right, but I was right. I lost two of them - one the amazing male and it seems the other was the big female.

This sucks.

[McFluffrichromis]

Oh goodness how did they die. somebody sabataged your tank after you posted that pic. But my male is fully colored up.

[Lively]

I think the filter went south. It looks like it is working, plenty of water movement on the intake area, but there is almost no outflow. There is no sign of the fish anywhere in the tank. Very odd.

If the male has a stripe on the eye, I have one male and one female left. And the male has no color to speak of.

Contest aside, it really sucks to lose such a pretty fish.

Edited to say, Uhh, yeah. For those of you who figured out what happened... ewww I uh, found at least one of the fish. I normally keep a sponge on the intake for this very reason.

I'd guess much longer and I'd have lost all of them.

[McFluffrichromis]

I think your other male will color up now. Good luck.

[Lively]

:-) I really kinda hope I don't win... (sshhh, but don't tell) I don't want to have to write an article - especially now!

[McFluffrichromis]

It would be one interesting article. lol

[dogofwar]

OK - so we'll hold the contest judging at the Oct. meeting.

Growing out fry can be tougher than it looks!

Also, for anyone who lost some fish... I'm willing to provide 4 more fry for an $8 donation to the club. Please just let me know prior to the Oct meeting :)

Matt

[fischfan13]

OK - so we'll hold the contest judging at the Oct. meeting.

Growing out fry can be tougher than it looks!

Also, for anyone who lost some fish... I'm willing to provide 4 more fry for an $8 donation to the club. Please just let me know prior to the Oct meeting :)

Matt

...and I was all set on bringing my fry to the Sept meeting, especially since I cannot make the October meeting for some reason.:rolleyes: (look below)

[SubMariner]

Well, I really didn't want to be right, but I was right. I lost two of them - one the amazing male and it seems the other was the big female.

This sucks.


Stacy, I'm sorry to hear about your fish.

[Jumbie]

I lost all my fry...I just got back from vacation and I can’t find the last three I had? It’s almost like they diapered...not on the floor, no bodies in the tank...I don't know what happen but I think it had something to do with those lousy under pants gnomes! lol

[Lively]

Ahh, sorry to hear that! Check the lift tube in the filter, if you have that kind in there.

[DiscusnAfricans]

Ahh, sorry to hear that! Check the lift tube in the filter, if you have that kind in there.
Is that where the gnomes put the underwear? I always wondered where the stash was kept.

[Lively]

Undies and Sock... they get sucked right in.

[McFluffrichromis]

I think I have a female holding. I am not able to get a long enough look at her to get the full confirmation but her mouth is big. I don't know for sure.

Any advice on how to handle babies from these fish. Am I supposed to remove the parents after they are released? I think I read that the parents will eat the babies?

[dogofwar]

Ok - so it seems like it's better to carry on with sept judging as originally planned than to postpone until I
Oct

I'd bet that chuck Rambo (the speaker) could fill in for me. He's been keeping vics since like 1972

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[dogofwar]

Big mouth = holding

Depending on temp they'll hold for about 3 weeks; after a few days I either move females to their own tanks or a quiet tank with a breeder net. She'll spit on her own but I usually strip with a twist tie when I see free swimmers

The babies will eat crushed flake right awAy

Congrats

Matt

I think I have a female holding. I am not able to get a long enough look at her to get the full confirmation but her mouth is big. I don't know for sure.

Any advice on how to handle babies from these fish. Am I supposed to remove the parents after they are released? I think I read that the parents will eat the babies?

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[Lively]

Cool! I've a month to catch up in :-)

Yeah McFluffy! Good Luck with it. Can't offer advice 'cause I've no clue!

[DonkeyFish]

Is that where the gnomes put the underwear? I always wondered where the stash was kept.

Underpants gnome reference! LOVE IT!

Step 1: Steal underpants.
Step 2: ?
Step 3: Profit!

Thank you for that, I needed it this morning!

Back on-topic... Are we doing October or September??

[dogofwar]

September

We're back to September

Underpants gnome reference! LOVE IT!

Step 1: Steal underpants.
Step 2: ?
Step 3: Profit!

Thank you for that, I needed it this morning!

Back on-topic... Are we doing October or September??

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[McFluffrichromis]

Oh well I will not be there.

If anyone in NOVA wants to grab them to take them to the meeting for me that would be cool. I will provide all equipment needed to keep them happy during the babysitting adventure.

[cmcpart0422]

Any more pics?

[Cartel]

I looked last night I have a single female left all 3 have dissappeared one by one with out a single trace! No chicken dinner for me....

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[Lively]

Oh well I will not be there.

If anyone in NOVA wants to grab them to take them to the meeting for me that would be cool. I will provide all equipment needed to keep them happy during the babysitting adventure.

You're a bit far away for me to do it, otherwise I would. I hope someone can do it for you!

[dogofwar]

I looked last night I have a single female left all 3 have dissappeared one by one with out a single trace! No chicken dinner for me....

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Bring her and trade with someone who has an excess of males

The offer for 4 more for $8 donation to the club still stands (but I won't be able to deliver the fish until the oct meeting or aquafest)

Matt

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[DonkeyFish]

Oh well I will not be there.

If anyone in NOVA wants to grab them to take them to the meeting for me that would be cool. I will provide all equipment needed to keep them happy during the babysitting adventure.

I might be able to help... send me details of what would be involved.

[Lively]

With less than two weeks to go... we're supposed to have something to show our fishies in... what exactly are we supposed to bring? LOL

[SubMariner]

--------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m thinking the contest would work like this:

Contestants would enter by replying to a Forum Topic – and / or by
Signing up at the June Meeting.
A nominal entry fee of ($5-$10) would be charged (and donated to the club).
Contestants would each receive a bag containing 4-6 fry at the May Meeting. (Everyone would receive the same number of fry – the variable would be determined by the number of contestants).
The rest of the rules would be pretty simple… take your fry home, grow them out in your aquarium for three months – and bring your BEST PAIR to the September meeting – in a small aquarium or bowl.
The BEST PAIR would be determined on Size, Color, and Condition – not strictly on size alone.
The winner would receive the total of the entry fees – and – maybe more.

I hope this helps Lady Lively!


RM

[Lively]

*LOL* small is such a subjective concept...

But, yes, it does. Thank you, Sir Richard!

[George]

*LOL* small is such a subjective concept...

But, yes, it does. Thank you, Sir Richard!

Careful! I think you mean Luke, right?

Ben

[Lively]

Careful! I think you mean Luke, right?

Ben

LOL - Luke was no sir... truth be told - i like his dad better in the earlier story :-)

[dogofwar]

A critter keeper, a flat-sided bowl, a little fish tank...something like that...

[SubMariner]

And the Winner is, drum roll please...


Kevin and Wendy:jumping0045::party0018::party0003::sign0191:

Oh Yeah!!!

Congratz!


RM

[Jumbie]

Kevin I sorry for not congratulating you and Wendy yesterday while we were talking. What a great job, I look forward to reading what steroids you were feeding lol (Just joking) in the next biotope. Again congratulations guys.

[longstocking]

Congrats Wendy and Kevin !!!

[dogofwar]

Need pics :)

[F8LBITE]

congrats guys!!! Now how did you do it?!!

[Lively]

Need pics :)

Yeah, we do!

Congrats!

[minifoot77]

any body wanna do it again with jewels? and congratulations :)

[dogofwar]

How about with another ACA Cares (endangered) fish?

[kbeaudean]

Thanks for the thumbs up!! Some bad news if you want pictures you will have to ask David we gave him the fish at the meeting. Thanks again everyone!!

[jonclark96]

I'd be interested in the next go around if you go New World...

[F8LBITE]

Thanks for the thumbs up!! Some bad news if you want pictures you will have to ask David we gave him the fish at the meeting. Thanks again everyone!!

whats the secret?!

[marge618]

And the Winner is, drum roll please...


Kevin and Wendy:jumping0045::party0018::party0003::sign0191:

Oh Yeah!!!

Congratz!


RM

Good job! I am impressed by how well your fish displayed!

[crazyclowntang]

so where are the pics???

[Spine]

Congratulations Wendy and Kevin. I hope everyone had fun trying to beat them.

What fish are we going to do next,anyone one have a bunch of fry?

[kbeaudean]

We are surprised they did so well because they were in a 10 gal with a 3/4" one eyed Tropheus that was very cocky. So the Ruby Greens were pinned up under the sponge filter for the last 2 months. We thought we only had 3 left but Sat morning when we were getting the fish ready we had all 4. Like I said, I did not take any pictures and we gave the fish to David at the meeting so if you ask him maybe he will take some for you. Thanks again everyone!!

[Pat Kelly]

I gave the certificate to Kevin and Wendy yesterday.

[Jigg's]

I would live too do it but what if I'm in another state it wouldn't work out huh? I meam I could pay for shipping but I'm all the way I'm all the way in New Mexico. Buft it really does sound fun : )

[dogofwar]

I'm happy to ship you some Hap Ruby greens :)

Matt

[UNCLERUCKUS]

I'd be interested in the next go around if you go New World...
did anything ever become of this?:confused:

[minifoot77]

i heard some one had festea we might be able to use :)

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[UNCLERUCKUS]

i heard some one had festea we might be able to use :)

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ID LOVE TO BUT IRA HAS BOUGHT THE LAST 50+ :D

[STATMATT]

We are surprised they did so well because they were in a 10 gal with a 3/4" one eyed Tropheus that was very cocky.

There we have it folks the key to winning this event is to have a cocky one-eyed Tropheus keeping the competitors pinned under a sponge filter for two months.

Interviews of the fish...
yes I did my best to hide for the last two months, that one-eyed what ever the heck was scaring the color out of me. When they took me out of there I finally got my color back!
:D